James O'Keefe: “Fear Is Worse Than Corruption.” | DSH

Sean sits down with James O’Keefe at AmFest (final day) for a raw, high-energy conversation about fear, truth, corruption, and the real cost of doing journalism that threatens power.

James breaks down why he believes the system is bigger than any one person, why most people stay silent, and how he personally fights fear by staying locked in on purpose, truth, and mission. He also shares the investigation he’s most proud of — “Line in the Sand” — where he embedded with Venezuelan migrants riding the train of death through Mexico, witnessing the human side of immigration and the money machine behind the border crisis.

This episode hits hard: courage vs fear, power vs truth, and why you don’t need thousands… you need a few unbreakable people.

What You’ll Learn

🧠 Why fear spreads faster than truth — and how to break it
🎯 How to stay focused on mission when pressure hits
🧱 Why the “illusion of power” keeps corrupt systems alive
🗣️ What it actually takes to blow the whistle (and why most don’t)
🚂 What James saw filming Line in the Sand on the train through Mexico
💰 How the border situation becomes a money machine (NGOs, cartels, gov spending)
🎥 “Show, don’t tell” — why film changes minds faster than arguments
🕵️ How undercover work works (it’s not tricks — it’s attention + listening)
🔒 Why blackmail/bribery shape politics and media
👥 Why small, unbreakable teams beat big movements

Chapters (Timestamps)

0:00 — Immigration: “It’s not sinister… it’s money”
0:21 — AmFest energy + behind-the-scenes chaos
0:48 — Calling Cash Patel + “illusion of power”
1:49 — Why leaders won’t blow the whistle (fear + consequences)
2:53 — How James got rid of fear: tunnel vision on truth
4:07 — Mortality, courage, and “how do you intend to die?”
6:40 — Proudest work: Line in the Sand (train of death)
8:43 — Border money machine + cartels + NGOs + recordings
11:52 — Why people don’t recognize him undercover (narcissism + power)
14:02 — Blackmail/bribery, keeping teams small, how to support his work

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James O’Keefe interview, Sean podcast AmFest, Project Veritas founder, citizen journalism, undercover investigations, Line in the Sand film, border crisis documentary, train of death Mexico, Venezuelan migrants,