Was Jesus Story a Metaphor? Christian & Atheist debate

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Metaphor or history? A Christian, Atheist and Psychic test facts—Jesus’ life, miracles, Genesis. What counts as evidence, what’s proof, what’s intuition? Pull up a stool for candid bar talk.

Hosted by BBC 1Xtra’s Theo Johnson, featured guests; Glenn Agyaakwah, Charlotte Battseren & Elliot Bewick . Three ways of seeing the world. One bar. All the questions that connect us.

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CHAPTERS:
00:00 – Theo: “So… is Jesus’ story a metaphor?”
Bartender Theo kicks it off: metaphor or history—where do you draw the line?
00:04 – Glenn: “Bible has metaphors—Jesus’ life is fact”
Glenn says poetry belongs in Scripture, but Jesus’ words and deeds are historical, not symbolic.
00:43 – Elliot: How do you tell metaphor from history?
If some parts are allegory, Elliot asks, where do you stop—floods, water-to-wine, walking on water? What’s the method?
01:10 – Glenn: Genesis as metaphor, biography as biography
Creation might be figurative, he says—but you can’t call a person’s life “metaphor” like “Elliot was in a bar.”
01:43 – Elliot: “Convenient line-drawing for Christians?”
He presses again: when do metaphors end and facts begin—and who decides?
02:33 – Glenn: Evidence claims (Noah, Jesus, Saul→Paul)
Not intuition, he argues—points to what he calls evidence across Bible narratives and early Christianity.
03:21 – Elliot: “So… is it just intuition?”
He tests Glenn’s standard for calling one passage symbolic and another literal.
03:49 – Glenn: “I know that I don’t know—but I’m on a path”
He leans on seeking “the truth,” not “my truth,” and walking a narrow road toward it.
04:32 – Elliot & Glenn: Common ground (from different angles)
They admit they’re both searching—even if they start in different places; Glenn jokes he’ll “make you a Christian.”
04:59 – Theo’s wrap: Three lanes, one bar

Theo sums the table: Charlotte’s open, Elliot’s skeptical-seeking, Glenn’s sure on Jesus—see who pulls up a stool next time.

CREDITS:
Host: Theo Johnson
Featuring: Glenn Agyaakwah, Charlotte Battseren & Elliot Bewick
Created by: James Walker
Director of Photography: Ricardo Mcleary-Campbell
Series Director: Femi Oyeniran
Series Producer: Delia Williams
Camera Operators: Fola Abatan, Alexander Rozerot Kirkwood, Giulio Piccirillo, Dan Howe, Jomar O’Meally
Gaffer: Duane Jay
Spark: Sachin Parmar
2nd AC: Marcellino Hockner
Assistant Producer: Lakesha Abrams
Casting By: LEVILE
Casting Assistant: Vanessa Mensah
Production Design: Wet Studio
Art Director: Hannah Eccles
Supervising Sound Editor: James Hynes
Sound Recordist: Declan Chew
Sound Assistant: Ada Walker
Digital Imaging Technician: Judy Tett
Make Up Artist: Tashana Francis
Photographer: Johnathan Williams
Location Assistants: Alex Bullock, Alex Lawrence, Mairéad Ruane
Editor: Olumide Odutuga
Series Edit Producer: Bec Gourlay 
Colourist: Freddie Reed
Post Production Sound: The Sound Directors
Graphics: Isabella Walker
Executive Producers: James Walker, Vikki McLachlan
Filmed on Location at: Stereo Covent Garden
With Thanks: Soho Sonic
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