Ezra Klein + Derek Thompson on Donald Trump, Elon Musk and Their Own Critics

In their new book, Abundance, journalists Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson argue that Trump's scarcity mindset is suffocating the country: America doesn’t do enough manufacturing? Better cut back on trade. Not enough jobs or housing? Get rid of immigrants. Klein and Thompson sit down with Jon to explain how faster (and better) infrastructure projects can re-engage Democrats’ base, why tolerating government failure has made liberals look bad, and whether the accusations of neoliberalism that have been levied at the book are a fair criticism of the "abundance agenda."

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CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
1:21 - The "Abundance" Discourse
6:44 - Creating a Government that Works for People
11:38 - On Donald Trump
16:33 - Ads
18:45 - The Affordability Issue
25:33 - An Honest Criticism of the Left
42:10 - Ads
43:41 - Why Democrats are Losing
54:42 - Who are the "Abundance-pilled" Democrats?

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