AI, IP, and the Copyright Clash, with Kimberley Odums of IEEE

How can AI shape AND be shaped by the law? In this episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe welcome Kimberley Odums, Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and AI at IEEE and founder of Lawyers Learn AI, to explore the intersection of legal innovation and artificial intelligence through a futuristic lens.

What You'll Learn:
How to position yourself as a Legal AI expert on your team by staying informed on critical AI developments
Why the New York Times v. OpenAI case matters beyond just the case of publishing
Why the $1.5 billion Anthropic settlement is an important precedent
How to build confidence in AI tools through closed-environment systems leveraging Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG)
Why pro se litigants are winning cases using AI platforms for $20/month and the impact of this on access to justice
The critical distinction between human authorship and AI generation in copyright law

About the Guest
Kimberley Odums is Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and Artificial Intelligence at the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) and founder of the newsletter community Lawyers Learn AI. With a background spanning big law, nonprofit work and solo practice in trademark and brand protection, Kimberley has become a leading voice in the intersection of legal policy and AI development. Her work bridging the legal and tech communities makes her a leading voice in the rapidly evolving landscape of AI regulation and implementation.

Episode Highlights
00:00 Introduction & Meeting Kimberley Odums
06:10 How Curiosity Led to a Career Pivot into AI Law
13:58 Understanding IEEE's Role in Standards and Development
16:27 Building AI Governance Frameworks Within Your Organization
19:55 Balancing Enterprise AI Tools With Employee Adoption and Trust
23:35 Launching ‘Lawyers Learn AI’ & AI Legal Education
31:39 How to Build Credibility as Your Team's AI Expert
33:33 The Ins and Outs of Reusable Prompt Libraries
34:00 The New York Times v. OpenAI: How AI Training on Scraped Content Threatens Publishers
38:20 The $1.5 Billion Anthropic Settlement
43:32 Thomson Reuters v. Third Parties: Protecting IP in Legal Research Databases
46:30 Copyright Law Meets AI: What Qualifies as Human Authorship in AI-Generated Works
52:30 Meta, Reddit and the Patchwork of AI Copyright Cases Reshaping Digital Rights
55:46 How AI Democratizes Access to Justice for Underserved Communities
01:00:55 Why Big Law Adopts AI Faster Than Solo Practitioners
01:04:19 Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG): Building Confidence in Closed-Loop AI Systems
01:05:44 Key Takeaways: The Future of AI Law and Legal Practice

Episode Resources
Kimberley Odums on LinkedIn:   / kimberleyodums  
IEEE Website: https://www.ieee.org/
Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn:   / memme  
Hal Marcus on LinkedIn:   / halmarcus  
Evisort Website: https://www.evisort.com/

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