Heather Cox Richardson on Why She's Still Hopeful Under MAGA and Donald Trump

It can feel like all is lost under Trump 2.0, but America has faced extremely dark chapters before and come out on the other side. Heather Cox Richardson—professor, historian and author of the most-read newsletter on Substack, Letters from an American—joins the show to share her long-view approach for this shortsighted era. She walks Dan through the biggest challenges to American democracy throughout history, how she believes we got to this MAGA moment, and what fuels her optimism about the future of the country.

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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro to Heather Cox Richardson
01:25 - Finding a Voice (and Audience) on Substack
08:44 - Writing “Letters from an American”
12:24 - Trump and the Myth of the “American Cowboy”
23:43 - Subscribe for Ad-Free Videos
25:00 - Ad Break 1
27:49 - Republicans vs Conservatives vs Radical Extremists
30:37 - Is the Trump Era Actually Unprecedented?
35:09 - Hiding Racism Under an Economic Argument
37:50 - What Drives Political Change?
46:07 - From Barack Obama to Trump and MAGA
50:52 - Ad Break 2
54:06 - Trump’s Deployment of Federal Troops
58:48 - Is Democracy Losing?
01:06:44 - Lessons for Today

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