Is Everything Made of Matter or Consciousness? | Rupert Spira & Bernardo Kastrup in Conversation

Is everything in the world made of matter or consciousness? What exactly are matter and consciousness? Rupert Spira joins Bernardo Kastrup, scientist and author, in a deep exploration of science and spirituality and how they inevitably meet on the same path to truth.

The conversation proves that anyone, from any background, can come to the same universal understanding that non-duality teaches; that peace and happiness is who we truly are.

Rupert came to this understanding through 40 years of spiritual practice in the vedantic and tantric traditions, while Bernardo studied the professional fields of computer science and engineering.

Moderated by Simon Mundie, the discussion covers various topics as Rupert and Bernardo dissect solipsism, idealism and materialism. Through it all, they both came to the same recognition which is that peace and love surpasses all understanding, and is the very nature of everyone and everything.

Timestamps:

00:00 How Rupert and Bernardo Met
02:33 Spiritual and Scientific Backgrounds Meet
08:04 Physics, Metaphysics, Perennial and Non-Dual Understandings
11:00 What is Reality?
14:49 Sense Perceptions and Experiencing
24:30 Solipsism, Idealism, and Materialism
27:48 Everything is in Consciousness
34:50 What is Consciousness?
40:00 What is Matter?
46:30 Qualities of Experience
50:40 Science and the Church
56:20 Learning From Suffering
1:01:00 The Peace That Passeth All Understandings
1:10:00 Non Dual Understanding and Misconceptions
1:16:20 The Purpose of Life
1:26:20 Refining Your Life Through Non Duality
1:28:00 What is Wrong With Materialism?
1:29:10 The Brain, The Mind, and Individuality
1:38:00 Individual vs The Ego
1:43:00 Who Am I? Our True Identity
1:47:00 What Is Accurate About Idealism?
1:52:21 Phenomenal Consciousness Vs Meta-Consciousness
1:59:00 Dissociative Identity Disorder
2:05:00 Three Consequences of the Non-Dual Understanding
2:09:40 Death, Associations and Dreams
2:17:00 The Result of the Non Duality

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