The BEST Way to Red-Pill a Protestant (w/ Joe Heschmeyer)

*“When were you saved — at the cross or when you were born again?”*
That question exploded in Joe Heschmeyer's debate with James White, and now we dig deeper.

In this conversation, Joe and I explore:
Why saying “I was saved on Good Friday” still makes sense
How Catholicism views *participation* in Christ’s work
The role of *purification* (both temporal debt & spiritual transformation)
Why Protestants and Catholics actually share more than they realize
The different ways protestants view history
How Protestant systems fracture over time — and what Jesus prayed for unity

💬 **Comment below**:
Do you hold to “instant salvation” or “ongoing purification”?
What’s the strongest objection to applying the Mass as a sacrifice?
If you’re Protestant, what surprised you in this conversation?

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*Chapters*
00:00 — Intro + The "When Were You Saved?" Moment
01:15 — The Cross vs. the Application of Grace
02:45 — Participation & Merits of Christ
04:30 — Purification: Purgatory & Temporal Consequences
06:15 — Sin, Consequences, and Sanctification
08:00 — Individual & Communal Redemption
12:05 — Protestant Views on Church History
13:30 — Cleaving to Antiquity & Interpretive Methods
15:00 — Why Protestantism Fractures Over Time
16:15 — Christ Prayed for Unity (John 17)
17:30 — Final Thoughts + Red Pill for Protestants

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