Joseph Smith’s First Vision | Ep. 1648 | LDS Discussions Ep. 17

John and Mike take a look at the timeline of Joseph Smith's First Vision accounts against the official church narrative. The main focus is on the inconsistencies and contradictions in the four main First Vision accounts, with a timeline of the evolution of the First Vision story. They also touch upon the problem of no contemporary mentions of the First Vision and compare it with similar visionary experiences by other contemporary figures. The church's official essay on the First Vision is also discussed raising questions about whether the church is deliberately misleading people about them.

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Chapters
00:00:00 Intro and Purpose of the info
00:07:50 First Vision Artwork
00:10:00 Church’s official essay
00:13:45 GBH Clip: Most important work or a fraud
00:16:43 Four Main First Vision Accounts
00:18:30 First Vision Problems: No Contemporary Mentions
00:21:45 John Larsen on First Vision
00:30:30 Assistant LDS Church Historian James B. Allen discusses First Vision
00:32:10 Does it make sense that Joseph wouldn’t mention it?
00:33:50 Contradictions of First Vision Accounts
00:36:30 Timeline of First Vision Account vs. Historical Records
00:38:20 More on the 1820 vs. 1824 FIrst Vision Timeline
00:42:00 Why the 1820 vs. 1824 Timing is So Important
00:43:40 The Evolution of the First Vision Story
00:50:40 Joseph Smith was Consistent on the Godhead at First
00:54:25 The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible and the First Vision
00:58:00 The 1834 Lectures on Faith and the Godhead
01:01:40 The Lectures on Faith and the 1835 First Vision Account
01:05:50 Book of Mormon is changed to Joseph’s new theology
01:09:35 Implications of Changing the Book of Mormon
01:17:25 Similar Contemporary Visionary Accounts
01:19:30 The 1815 First Vision of Norris Stearns
01:23:00 Asa Wild’s 1823 First Vision Account
01:24:25 Solomon Chamberlain’s Visionary Experience
01:26:45 Apologetica Responses to the First Vision Problems
01:29:00 A misleading footnote in the church’s First Vision essay
01:31:00 Joseph’s Mother (Lucy Mack) Helps Solidify the Timeline
01:38:05 More from the Church’s First Vision Essay
01:42:05 The Problems come from the bigger picture
01:44:45 The Most consistent way to view the First Vision
01:49:00 Why Would Joseph Embellish the First Vision?
01:55:00 The 1838 Conflicts that led to the new history
02:02:00 Has the LDS Church misled people about the First Vision accounts?
02:04:15 Joseph Fielding Smith ripping out and hiding 1832 First Vision account
02:08:30 The Tanners help get the 1832 account released
02:11:00 Are the Multiple accounts “Discussed Repeatedly”?
02:13:00 Conclusion of the First Vision Accounts
02:15:00 Common threads in Joseph Smith’s truth claims

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