Celsus, Origen & Jesus: The Evidence Everyone Gets Wrong

Did ancient pagan critics like Celsus actually prove Jesus existed—or were they just granting premises to dunk on Christians? Derek Lambert sits down with Dr. Richard Carrier to unpack what we really have (and don’t have): Origen’s selective quotations of Celsus, the rhetorical tactic of arguing ad concessum (“even if your premise is true…”), and why a 2nd-century critic with only the Gospels and street-preacher hearsay couldn’t adjudicate historicity anyway.

Carrier also explores:

Celsus vs. Porphyry, and why most pagan critiques were suppressed

How Christian authors (e.g., 2 Peter, Ignatius) reveal intra-Christian doubts about literal history

Why mocking Gospel stories ≠ independent confirmation

What real historical method requires—and why ancient polemics don’t meet it

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