Caller Says ‘Separation of Church and State’ Isn’t in the Constitution | Jimmy Snow + Jovan Bradley

Rick from Texas calls in as a self-described conservative to challenge the entire concept of “separation of church and state,” insisting that because the exact phrase doesn’t appear in the Constitution, it has no real legal force.

He opens with the classic pedantic move—demanding where the words appear in the Constitution or Bill of Rights—and quickly runs into the hosts’ explanation that “separation of church and state” is a shorthand summary for the Establishment Clause plus centuries of Supreme Court precedent.

They bring up Jefferson’s famous “wall of separation” letter to the Danbury Baptists and point out that the First Amendment’s ban on establishing or sponsoring religion is precisely what courts have been enforcing, despite Rick’s protests.

As he tries to reclaim Jefferson as a straightforward Christian defending believers’ freedom to practice “anywhere, anytime,” the hosts counter that Jefferson was deeply skeptical of organized religion, that separation protects both religious and non-religious people, and that churches never get a superior status over the state.

The conversation gets heated as Rick complains about tone and claims the left is “twisting” things, while the hosts repeatedly drag him back to the actual text and meaning of the Establishment Clause, making this a sharp, combative explainer on what church–state separation really is—and isn’t.

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