How EMDR + Psychedelic Therapy Work Together with Rotem Brayer

Welcome back to Therapy Chat! In today's episode, I'm bringing you a replay of two of my conversations with Rotem Brayer, talking all about EMDR and Psychedelic Assisted Psychotherapy.

If you're an EMDR therapist or a therapist who is interested in learning about psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, this episode is for you! And if you're someone who is interested in learning about how EMDR and psychedelic-assisted therapy can be combined, you're in the right place!

Rotem Brayer, M.Ed., LPC, is a certified EMDR therapist, EMDR consultant, and advanced EMDR trainer. He's the founder of the EMDR Learning Community, a community that brings EMDR therapists together and provides education on EMDR therapy and the integration of this modality with other treatment approaches.

Find Rotem's book, The Art & Science of EMDR, on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-EM...

Join Rotem's free learning community for EMDR therapists here: EMDR Learning Community.
https://emdr-learning.com/

Rotem's website is here: https://emdartnscience.com/

00:00 - Intro & Episode Overview
00:48 - EMDR as a Transformative Therapy
01:28 - Structure vs. Heart in EMDR
03:21 - Guest Introduction: Rotem Breyer
04:08 - Rotem’s Background and Approach to EMDR
06:49 - Authenticity and the Therapeutic Relationship
09:38 - Resourcing and Nervous System Regulation
11:11 - Creativity, Flexibility, and the Art of EMDR
14:02 - Discovering EMDR and Integrating Other Modalities
17:19 - Individualized Pacing for EMDR Clients
22:52 - EMDR for Attachment and Complex Trauma
24:40 - Redefining Trauma and Broadening EMDR Use
26:19 - Positive Experiences and Healing Moments in EMDR
29:06 - Deliberate Practice for EMDR Skill Building
31:06 - Therapist Growth Through Receiving EMDR
33:37 - EMDR Learning Community & Resources
34:25 - Using EMDR with Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy
39:02 - Ketamine Integration: Legal Use and Protocol
43:12 - EMDR and Psychedelics: Shared Healing Mechanisms
47:15 - Brief History of Psychedelic Research Suppression
51:10 - Trait Change vs. State Change with Psychedelics
55:36 - Session Structure for EMDR + Psychedelic Therapy
58:43 - Importance of Integration After Psychedelic Work
1:02:38 - Limitations of Western Science in Measuring Healing
1:06:22 - Top-Down and Bottom-Up Healing Explained
1:10:13 - Continued Processing After Sessions
1:14:12 - Making Psychedelic Therapy Accessible
1:18:51 - Risks of Misuse and Media Misrepresentation
1:20:11 - Preventing Burnout and Staying in the Field
1:22:06 - Where to Find Rotem’s Work

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