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#80 | Southeast Asia's Endgame (Gita Wirjawan)

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Can Southeast Asia be an economic powerhouse?

What will it take to get there?

This week, we sat down with Pak Gita Wirjawan (Indonesia's Former Minister of Trade and now host of the Endgame podcast with over 1 million subscribers) to talk about the future of South East Asia.

Topics discussed:

His aspirations to be a professional Jazz musician
Accountability vs credibility
How spending time with geologists has helped him appreciate the economic longview
blind luck vs smart luck
US and the West as "dispensable inevitabilities"
SEA as a geopolitical swing state
Why we need to increase cognitive capacity
Why we should "copycat" Singapore
Why ASEAN needs less handhakes and more storytellers
How increasing STEM education conversion can drive SEA's growth
The role that storytelling plays in economic growth
Pak Gita's outlook on the next generation

Subscribe to Gita's podcast, End Game.

‪@gwirjawan‬
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Dato Sri Idris Jala is a former minister (ranked by Bloomberg in 2014 as the Top 10 Most Influential Policy Makers in the World) and Chairman of PEMANDU Associates and Heineken Malaysia, as well as Co-Chairman of Sunway Group.

Leon Jala is the Executive Pastor at HTBB Church where he heads Leadership Development and Innovation. He is also a Board Member of PEMANDU Associates where he serves as Vice Chair.

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