Have we been overpromised on lab-grown meat? A journalist reveals what they’ve seen firsthand

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Today's guest:

Jenny Kleeman is a journalist, author and broadcaster. Her long form writing appears in the Guardian, the Sunday Times, and the Financial Times Magazine, and she is a 2025 finalist of the prestigious Orwell Journalism Prize.

Jenny has reported for BBC One's Panorama, HBO's Vice News Tonight, and Channel 4's Dispatches, as well as making 13 films from across the globe for Channel 4’s Unreported World.

She is a regular voice on BBC Radio 4, where she writes and presents the documentary series The Gift. As well as writing for her Substack The Little Red Notebook, Jenny has published two books.

You can find more of Jenny's work here:

https://www.jennykleeman.com/
https://www.theguardian.com/profile/j...

Today's topics:

How do we compare animal euthanasia versus human euthanasia, do we sometimes value animal life over human life, and are we being deceived by #SiliconValley when it comes to cell-cultured #meat? In today's episode of #TheDisclosurePodcast, I sit down with author, journalist and broadcaster Jenny Kleeman to discuss these topics and much more.

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🕒 Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction from me
00:46 Introduction to Jenny Kleeman
01:42 Jenny’s experiences covering cell-cultured meat
08:18 How meat eater’s reacted to Jenny’s book
10:03 How my biases impacted my view of Jenny’s experiences
12:25 Is Silicon Valley overselling the promise of cell-cultured meat?
15:50 Is Jenny anti-technology or anti-capitalist?
18:35 Is Jenny the reason why we ‘need’ cell-cultured meat?
25:50 Is cell-cultured meat bad because it’s unnatural?
27:27 If cell-cultured meat becomes available, do ethical vegans have an obligation to eat it?
31:20 The gender dimension to meat
32:36 General summary on our views around cell-cultured meat
33:29 Is there a contradiction between our views on animal vs human euthanasia?
38:50 Does our relationship with our own death impact how we view the killing of animals?
40:52 Have we created hell on earth for animals?
44:43 The danger of turning a blind eye to all the exploitation that exists
46:54 Do we put a price on the lives of humans?
53:33 Should we end cattle subsidies so we can fund the NHS more?
57:38 Are agricultural subsidies just welfare handouts for farmers?
01:00:15 Are farmer’s livelihoods more important than people needing healthcare?
01:03:24 Should we place an equal value on all life?
01:10:00 Welfare vs abolition
01:11:50 Recommending Jenny’s books
01:12:30 Outro

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Ed Winters is a best-selling author, vegan educator, public speaker and host of The Disclosure Podcast. Ed has spoken at over 1/3 of UK universities and at every Ivy league college, including as a guest lecturer and Media & Design Fellow at Harvard University.