Science of Goal-Setting, with Anne-Laure Le Cunff

What if the goals you’re chasing… aren’t really yours? This week on Hello Monday, host Jessi Hempel sits down with neuroscientist and author Anne-Laure Le Cunff, a founder of Ness Labs - a mindful productivity school for knowledge workers. Together, they explore the science - and the art - of goal-setting.

Anne-Laure’s new book, Tiny Experiments: How to Live Freely in a Goal-Obsessed World, offers a refreshing alternative: instead of chasing big, rigid goals, try small, curiosity-led experiments that help you learn what really matters. Jessi and Anne-Laure unpack why we put so much pressure on finding our “capital P” Purpose, and how tiny experiments can help us better understand ourselves.

Tune in for Anne-Laure’s take on:
How curiosity can redefine ambition and success;
The “Head, Heart, Hand” framework for navigating uncertainty;
Making peace with evolving priorities - and opting out of hustle culture;
Why slowing down and reflecting can lead to a more authentic work life.


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00:00 - Intro: Rethinking purpose and goals
02:30 - Tech burnout and health as a wake-up call
05:16 - Choosing curiosity over convention
07:45 - Letting go of a big “P” Purpose
10:12 - Thriving in a world of uncertainty
13:16 - Self-anthropology 101
17:26 - AI as a thinking companion
20:09 - Navigating uncertainty without rushing
24:19 - The head, heart, hand framework
27:31 - Final thoughts