Sam Seder Debates A Libertarian About Regulations

A caller contends that regulations are bad because no one follows them and they are just a money making scheme.

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Sam: What's on your mind well pretty much regulations?
Caller: I guess I’m a youtube fan of yours. And I work in air conditioning refrigeration. And regulations are kind of ridiculous with my industry as far as permitting and especially licensing. Licensing the requirements is unbelievable nowadays.
Sam: In Florida?
Caller: And pretty much any state I’m pretty sure regulations are nationwide.
Sam: Who creates those are those federal regulations or are they state regulations?
Caller: Actually the feds are getting into it now with energy efficiency regulations that the states are…
Sam: Adopting? So the feds have energy requirements right? I know that like they have it for you know home heating units. And they are they're saying it for I would imagine there are probably some for HVAC. But the vast majority of the regulations you're dealing with are being propagated by the Florida state legislature. but okay go ahead.
Caller: Yeah so compliance is pretty much up to the customer. I usually give a couple of quotes one with permitting one without permitting. And the permitting seems like it's just an unnecessary hassle that doesn't it doesn't really protect the consumer from anything.
Sam: The permitting I would imagine when you talk about permits that are going to be even more local right? You're not filing with a state agency to get the permit to build that you're I think you're probably. I mean if it's like new york if you're doing some type of construction work you are filing with maybe the county but probably the town or the city.
Caller: Yes but all the regular regulations are based on national standards. There's an organization called ASHRAE that that that produces standards every four years for energy efficiency for all kinds of stuff that my contractors. I mean they use them as references once in a while but they're not complied with. And obviously like inspectors are not going to check every single thing so it's pretty much impossible for the government to get involved in any of them this stuff. Pretty much the only reason that licensing and permitting exists in my opinion is just to steal money from the contractors and obviously from the customer because you have to increase the prices of what you're installing so. And the same thing goes for I’d imagine any industry you know I know about air conditioning and engineering. I also worked in the engineering field. And all that is just pretty much recommendations and with the engineers use them sometimes we use rules of thumb. And mostly to produce because if we're going to follow every single regulation we're not going to be profitable. So it's just an unnecessary hassle…
Sam: And so you don't think there should be any regulations in the context of let's say building buildings. Do you think that there should be requirements as to how much you know I don't know like maybe what the quality of the cement is? You're like you're in Florida is that right?
Caller: Yes.
Sam: Okay do you have any recollection of anything that might have happened in Florida over the past year that implicates let's say things like safety for building codes.
Caller: Yeah I watched your debate with Yaron Brook started talking about the building that fell. that's what you're talking about I guess. I’ve read up on that and it looks like it's eight years ago there was an engineer a private engineer that they hired to give him a report on the structure of the building. and they have their little you know community inside the building that they debate stuff and what gets funding and what doesn't as far as repairs.