The Nakba Never Ended: Ilan Pappé on Palestine's Unfinished Catastrophe

The Qissah Podcast
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What can history teach us about the complexities of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict?
In this episode, we speak with Ilan Pappé, a leading Israeli historian and professor at the University of Exeter, renowned for his bold, research-driven critiques of mainstream narratives. In this in-depth interview, Prof. Pappé reflects on his academic journey and shares some findings about the events of 1948, challenging enduring myths about the Nakba and offering a deeper historical context for understanding October 7.
He also examines the foundations of Zionism as a settler-colonial project and explains why he believes we may be witnessing the beginning of the end of the Zionist project. The conversation explores his vision for a democratic one-state solution, the expanding global movement for Palestinian liberation, and the broader implications of shifting public opinion worldwide—including the latest proposals for a Gaza peace plan. We also discuss his new book— "Israel on the Brink: The Eight Revolutions That Could Lead to Decolonization and Coexistence".

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⏰ Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:49 Professor Pappe's academic journey-
05:59 The Nakba as a Methodical Campaign
11:22 Debunking Nakba Myths About 1948
15:24 The Coming Collapse of Zionism
20:52 Israel’s Growing Isolation (Coming Collapse of Zionism)
23:41 All Interconnected (Coming Collapse of Zionism)
25:30 The Need to be Prepared (Coming Collapse of Zionism)
26:45 Zionism as a Settler-Colonial project
28:33 Zionism Ideology
30:50 Israel on the Brink (Professor Pappe's new book)
32:01 Strategize for the Future (Israel on the Brink)
33:04 The Real Conversation (Israel on the Brink)
34:07 A New Palestinian Vision (Israel on the Brink)
35:06 Palestine’s Future Shapes Global Justice (Israel on the Brink)
36:36 October 7th: Three Historical Contexts
40:34 The Situation in the West Bank
43:53 The One-State Vision
46:31 Silencing Through Antisemitism
49:30 Gaza Ceasefire Plan
52:17 Global Palestine, Global Struggle
55:52 The Long View of Activism